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	<title>Comments on: Joomla copyright holders and the GPL</title>
	<link>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/</link>
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		<title>by: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/#comment-40917</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Ryan,
I think you've hit the nail on the head. GPL is designed to never allow the genie to be put back into the bottle (so to speak). A clever hack of the legal system if there ever was one.

The GPL never specifically addresses the issue of relicensing (that I am aware of in my limited knowledge). It may be possible as long as the original rights afforded under GPL are never diminished (free to copy, distribute and modify the source). However I don't see any reason a relicense would be necessary except to restrict these rights which is not in the spirit of the GPL and would infact violate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan,<br />
I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head. GPL is designed to never allow the genie to be put back into the bottle (so to speak). A clever hack of the legal system if there ever was one.</p>
<p>The GPL never specifically addresses the issue of relicensing (that I am aware of in my limited knowledge). It may be possible as long as the original rights afforded under GPL are never diminished (free to copy, distribute and modify the source). However I don&#8217;t see any reason a relicense would be necessary except to restrict these rights which is not in the spirit of the GPL and would infact violate it.
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		<title>by: David Geilhufe</title>
		<link>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/#comment-40904</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/#comment-40904</guid>
					<description>I sat in on a great talk once. The guy behind Wordpress was teasing a VP at Sun about how hard is it to release your stuff open source?

The VP explained that to open source something like Java, the legal copyright of every line of code had to be identified, recorded and a signature obtained to change the license. They estimated that for a normal enterprise application this would be a 2-5 year process involving a team of 100 people for Java. 

By extension, to change Joomla's licensing, it seems you would have to identify the ownership of every line of code and then have them all change their licensing. Big deal.

I personally like this aspect of the GPL becuase it really makes the software into a public good. At the same time, this underscores the importance of GPl 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat in on a great talk once. The guy behind Wordpress was teasing a VP at Sun about how hard is it to release your stuff open source?</p>
<p>The VP explained that to open source something like Java, the legal copyright of every line of code had to be identified, recorded and a signature obtained to change the license. They estimated that for a normal enterprise application this would be a 2-5 year process involving a team of 100 people for Java. </p>
<p>By extension, to change Joomla&#8217;s licensing, it seems you would have to identify the ownership of every line of code and then have them all change their licensing. Big deal.</p>
<p>I personally like this aspect of the GPL becuase it really makes the software into a public good. At the same time, this underscores the importance of GPl 2.
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		<title>by: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/#comment-40869</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Ryan,

GPL scares me! It also scares many people that do modifications to code bases. That is why Apache came around. Apache Foundation does a lot of work on this. I have been following several projects that have converted to the apache 2.0. there is a lot of work involved the apache guys have the lawyers to make it happen safely.

Large organization appreciate the work apache does to protect the users of such software. Thus making it a lot easier to bring Apache 2.0 licensed software in there house.

Of course there is always exceptions. I just know I don't need a lawyer on my staff to use Apache licensed software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan,</p>
<p>GPL scares me! It also scares many people that do modifications to code bases. That is why Apache came around. Apache Foundation does a lot of work on this. I have been following several projects that have converted to the apache 2.0. there is a lot of work involved the apache guys have the lawyers to make it happen safely.</p>
<p>Large organization appreciate the work apache does to protect the users of such software. Thus making it a lot easier to bring Apache 2.0 licensed software in there house.</p>
<p>Of course there is always exceptions. I just know I don&#8217;t need a lawyer on my staff to use Apache licensed software.
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		<title>by: Brian Teeman</title>
		<link>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/#comment-40761</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-copyright-holders-and-the-gpl/#comment-40761</guid>
					<description>i agree with your analysis but i have a question.

without a legal assignment how can anyone claim a copyright on the aggregtaed work of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with your analysis but i have a question.</p>
<p>without a legal assignment how can anyone claim a copyright on the aggregtaed work of others.
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