Comments on: Joomla will remain under the GPL http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/ All the PICnet news that's fit to print. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:06:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: Michael http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-43161 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:01:21 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-43161 No offense but this article reads like propogandist material. The fact remains that Open Source Matters had choices. After telling the community that they could sell and create non-GPL based licenses they suddenly reversed course - or perhaps you forgot to include that small issue which is the heart of a vitriolic dispute. Numerous developers who relied upon OSM's representations have been harmed but these good people were not important enough to be included in the discussion of the options. You admittedly do not understand the arguments of the opponents of the arbitrary decision made by the core team but don't present them. The Free Software Foundation represents one group of thinkers who are not only not the law, but many would disagree with their positions. In summation, OSM and Joomla made an arbitrary decision without involving the interests of the community that helped them grow. As a result, the most popular features are now no longer available for Joomla -- and an entire community has been told and is best advised to speak to a lawyer before using any version of Joomla. No offense but this article reads like propogandist material. The fact remains that Open Source Matters had choices. After telling the community that they could sell and create non-GPL based licenses they suddenly reversed course - or perhaps you forgot to include that small issue which is the heart of a vitriolic dispute. Numerous developers who relied upon OSM’s representations have been harmed but these good people were not important enough to be included in the discussion of the options. You admittedly do not understand the arguments of the opponents of the arbitrary decision made by the core team but don’t present them. The Free Software Foundation represents one group of thinkers who are not only not the law, but many would disagree with their positions. In summation, OSM and Joomla made an arbitrary decision without involving the interests of the community that helped them grow. As a result, the most popular features are now no longer available for Joomla — and an entire community has been told and is best advised to speak to a lawyer before using any version of Joomla.

]]> by: Ryan Ozimek http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41331 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:37:12 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41331 Brian, You're partially right. They couldn't use: - our name - our trademarks in the GPL software (i.e. logos, service marks, etc) - our images All the above are not covered by the GPL license, only the code itself. With the pricepoints we'll have, and the model around it, I'm rather confident that people will want to purchase the components, and upgrades, directly through us rather than a knock-off provider that didn't actually build the code themselves nor can support it with our support staff. Brian,

You’re partially right. They couldn’t use:

- our name
- our trademarks in the GPL software (i.e. logos, service marks, etc)
- our images

All the above are not covered by the GPL license, only the code itself. With the pricepoints we’ll have, and the model around it, I’m rather confident that people will want to purchase the components, and upgrades, directly through us rather than a knock-off provider that didn’t actually build the code themselves nor can support it with our support staff.

]]> by: Brian Teeman http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41323 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:22:19 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41323 I trust you realise that anyone who pays money for your gpl software can give it to me or anyone else for $000.00 I trust you realise that anyone who pays money for your gpl software can give it to me or anyone else for $000.00

]]> by: Ryan Ozimek http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41249 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:23:31 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41249 Brian, Thanks for the comment. I can't speak on behalf of Louis, but from PICnet's perspective, we have been talking about the GPL'ing of many of our internally used and "in the laboratory" components for some time now. Of course, we don't have a "store" by which we currently sell components, but you get the picture. With the core team taking the slow and steady approach, I know that myself and others have actively been looking for ways to both clean up our own houses now that we have a much clearer understanding of the GPL, and are looking forward to having the Joomla community be a shining light of how the GPL can aid community growth. Additionally, I'm excited that PICnet will soon provide a variety of GPL components via our Web site, some for free and others for a fee. We hope that we can continue to learn more and become another example of how GPL + commercial interests can work in harmony. Brian,

Thanks for the comment. I can’t speak on behalf of Louis, but from PICnet’s perspective, we have been talking about the GPL’ing of many of our internally used and “in the laboratory” components for some time now. Of course, we don’t have a “store” by which we currently sell components, but you get the picture. With the core team taking the slow and steady approach, I know that myself and others have actively been looking for ways to both clean up our own houses now that we have a much clearer understanding of the GPL, and are looking forward to having the Joomla community be a shining light of how the GPL can aid community growth.

Additionally, I’m excited that PICnet will soon provide a variety of GPL components via our Web site, some for free and others for a fee. We hope that we can continue to learn more and become another example of how GPL + commercial interests can work in harmony.

]]> by: Brian Teeman http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41210 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:55:04 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41210 How is the "statement" by Louis not a threat. He is implying that instead of suing picnet for their salesforce extension being non gpl they will use the money that would be spent on legal fees to do the work themselves and release their own salesforce extension. This sort of language is unfortunate as have been the allegations of illegal action by a founder of joomla and former opensource matters director Note: salesforce used as an example name and nothing more How is the “statement” by Louis not a threat. He is implying that instead of suing picnet for their salesforce extension being non gpl they will use the money that would be spent on legal fees to do the work themselves and release their own salesforce extension. This sort of language is unfortunate as have been the allegations of illegal action by a founder of joomla and former opensource matters director

Note: salesforce used as an example name and nothing more

]]> by: OpenSourceCommunity.org http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41054 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:48:28 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41054 <strong>Picnet: Joomla! will remain under the GPL...</strong> Ryan Ozimek from Picnet says: In what has been one of the most demanding legal and technical thought processes I’ve seen outside a courtroom (before Paris went to jail), the Joomla core team and the Open Source Matters board of directors have unanim... Picnet: Joomla! will remain under the GPL…

Ryan Ozimek from Picnet says:
In what has been one of the most demanding legal and technical thought processes I’ve seen outside a courtroom (before Paris went to jail), the Joomla core team and the Open Source Matters board of directors have unanim…

]]> by: Amy Stephen http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41050 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:43:39 +0000 http://www.picnet.net/blog/2007/06/14/joomla-will-remain-under-the-gpl/#comment-41050 Our next Joomla! t-shirts "We are open source geeks…peaceful people." It's a great decision. Thanks for helping liberate Joomla!. Our next Joomla! t-shirts “We are open source geeks…peaceful people.” It’s a great decision. Thanks for helping liberate Joomla!.

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